Greatest designer:
- man
- man
- man
- man
- man
Greatest comedian:
- man
- man
- man
- man
- man
Greatest author:
- man
- man
- man
- man
- man
Greatest woman:
- woman
- woman
- woman
- woman
- woman
Men do, women just be.
Greatest designer:
Greatest comedian:
Greatest author:
Greatest woman:
Men do, women just be.
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14 responses to “What it’s like being invisible”
Isn’t it strange that nobody seemed to notice this disconnect before publishing?
Or if they did, it must have been only some woman probably, so nobody to pay any attention to anyway.
And I’m not sure I agree with those other results either, but this was a real humdinger of a mistake.
I saw this mentioned in a tweet earlier, with the same image:
“Emma Kennedy @EmmaKennedy 28 nov.
Hey @shortlist, care to explain why women can only be best at being women? “
I am offended at the implication that only AFAB people can be best at being women.
/s
LM, I’d be glad that women even made that list…
Rrr and Rob – women probably made the list because somebody did notice, but was very clumsy in their corrective. It never occurred to them that the proper way to include women is to notice their accomplishments, not just their existence.
And, you notice that none of the women on that list are, like, scientists, and only one is an author – and that an author of a youth-oriented series, not a “serious” “adult” novelist, but one who writes books for kids. One of them is notable simply for being born into a family that someone in the past decided should be elevated to the position of royal, and not for any actual merit or accomplishment.
iknklast, you may well be right and yes, I did notice. All essentially entertainers, even if very good at their jobs.
What British comediennes ought to have been shortlisted?
“Comedienne” is a calculatedly insulting word to use. Don’t do that.
Holy hell Damion. Google “female british comedians” and you get a who’s who comes up.
Strangely enough, Rob, the Google doesn’t tell us which “female british comedians” deserve to be listed above Stephen Fry.
@ Damion Reinhardt
You’re not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree are you? The answer to your question @ 6 is, “we don’t know, they didn’t get the gig”.
A more sensible question would have been, “why is there no Greatest Man category, or Greatest Jew, or Greatest Black Person, or Greatest Left-Handed Person, etc.?”.
Jennifer Saunders and Dawn French, for two. Just off the top of my head.
Damion, strangely enough that’s the first mention of Stephen Fry in relation to pari passu ranking with female comedians. I assume you’re doing that because he’s at the bottom of the list of five.
Given how subjective comedy is my top five would look quite different, particularly on current output, and would include at least two women, one of whom would be Dawn French. Four of those men would not be on the list at all, again, based on current material.
As a fall back to google, you could always use other means to make a judgement, or do you always bow to the authority of the mob?
Agreed that Dawn French is at least as funny as Stephen Fry. But, hey, she’s a fat chick. Who’s going to vote for a fat chick?
(/sarcasm)
To be fair, I should mention Reinhardt has some expertise in comedy.
This is the guy who invented arbitrary categories for talks at Skepticon, made them mutually exclusive for no apparent reason, categorized things according to his own subjective biases, graphed the results (Science!) — I swear I’m not even kidding — and then drew conclusions from the “data”.
That’s some Mr Bean level comedy right there from a clown who fancies himself as a “scientific skeptic”. (Pity it was unintentional.)