Guest post: Trans Sudetenland
Originally a comment by tigger_the_wing on But whose dignity?
The TRAs have shown that there’s no way to give them what they want in the way of dignity and respect in order to get the same back; they want to trample over boundaries, and as soon as one falls, they’re going for the next. (The order of the following may vary from place to place):
If we give in on fetishistic cross-dressing, they demand bespoke pronouns;
If we give in on pronouns, they demand that we cede to them all the other words which apply to our sex;
If we let them have our words, they demand access to our toilets;
If we give them access to our toilets, they demand inclusion in women’s shortlists;
If we give them inclusion on our shortlists, they demand that they win;
If we let them win, they demand inclusion in our sports teams;
If we let them have those, they demand inclusion in our sex-specific changing rooms, showers, rape crisis centres, prisons, health services, hospital wards, dating sites, and as sexual partners.
All of those have happened and continue to happen, often simultaneously.
They will never, ever stop, because they want to take us over completely, jealous because it is a fact that they can’t become the opposite sex, and they know it. They won’t stop even when every single woman has lost every shred of dignity and respect; they won’t stop until there are no women left.
We can’t let them continue their rampage; not if we want any semblance of polite society left. We should have stopped them right at the beginning, but too many people thought that it was more important to treat psychopathic delusional narcissistic men with dignity and respect than to protect half the human race from predators.
“I didn’t think that the leopards would eat my face”…
I mentioned in a comment to this original post that I “tremble” for where I am headed, and I want to expand on that a little…
My previous experience with trans persons was with a rather belligerent, obviously male woman who had issues that dwarfed her trans status: he used to pose as a military officer (finding the female officer’s clothing at secondhand stores) and berate people in public who did not defer to her/ him. Well, the specific branch of the military got wind of this and put it to a stop….He also used to bother a heterosexual female neighbor of mine (who thought he was indeed a woman), because apparently he was still heterosexual…it was a god awful mess when my neighbor got wind that this was a man in drag wanting to have a “lesbian” relationship with her…Not an auspicious start to my experience with the trans “community.”
But recently, a very good and longtime friend of my husband’s and mine has revealed that a former male lover of his–a giant, boisterous, sweet-hearted guy–has gone trans. We got to meet him a couple of years ago in his new female get-up, and I just felt so sad. We sat and talked with him for a long time. He was still sweet, but nothing about him reads “female,” even though he is a gay man and I assume now a “heterosexual woman,” or whatever. He cannot become a candidate for any trans surgeries because of pre-existing medical conditions (he’s already in his fifties). He is stuck and doesn’t know what to do.
Here is someone I want to protect and offer best wishes to.
I can put up with fetishistic cross-dressing, but for all the others I shout NO.
Perpetual dissatisfaction appears to be their lot. No matter how much they are given, they always want more; which is as good an argument as any for giving them nothing in the first place. People have been known to run short of patience. It is not in endless supply.
Mike B, it is also because of people like your friends former lover that I am so angry at the predators. They’ve managed to get inside the heads of people like him (and me, once upon a time, not very long ago) and sow dissatisfaction with their own bodies, instead of anger at the prejudices of society against non-conforming people.
‘Trans’ is a lie. It was an invention of the last century to create an excuse to perform the most awful of conversion therapy on gay men – instead of a healthy gay man, let’s have a broken one; a man who believes himself to be a heterosexual woman in the wrong body so is willing to be medically and surgically mangled to pass (never very well) as a member of the opposite sex, so that wider society can continue to condemn same-sex relationships. It was always unnecessary, as this century’s changes in laws have demonstrated (except in places where a patriarchal theocracy still reigns, such as Iran, where the ‘choice’ is be hanged or be transed); all we had to do was allow adults to be themselves.
The MRAs (misogynistic male cult including ‘incels’ and AGPs) used the tiny number of transsexual men as a Trojan Horse to get their boundary-smashing agenda into places with power. People like your friend’s former lover, and children, and autistic people, are collateral damage; pawns to give the impression that there really is a kind of thing as ‘trans’ so that they can take their fetishists into all the places they were formerly not allowed to go.
This afternoon it seems that I can neither type nor spell. Sigh.
tigger, I have to say, I never looked at it that way. My friend’s former lover seemed to be a happy, rather masculine gay man, and an older one, out of the closet for a long time. Especially at his age, I’d thought he was content with his sexuality. I don’t know if his case is the strange “conversion therapy” you mention.
I had a hard time coming out, but never thought of “converting” to female. I’m very happily married now, have been a long time.
Mike B, might your friend’s former lover be on the autism spectrum? I ask because we have a great deal of difficulty with the social norms for our particular sex, and are easily persuaded that our inability to understand why we should adhere to them, or feel the things other people of our sex are supposed to feel, is a sign of being in this mythical ‘trans’ state. I was in my fifties when I fell for it, so it’s not as unlikely as it might seem to someone who doesn’t think in literal terms.
I forgot to add that I have had multiple health issues my entire life, which took between twelve and forty-two years to diagnose; and even longer for my congenital conditions. I’ve been at odds with my own body for as long as I can remember anything, and if he has health issues too, that would also make him vulnerable to the suggestion that his body feels wrong because it’s the wrong sex for his brain. Fortunately for both of us, we were too sick to take any medical or surgical steps to transition, so desistance for me wasn’t nearly as traumatic as detransition (in so far as that’s possible) has been for those who did, and won’t be as traumatic for him when he realises that he’s been duped.
I can put up with cross-dressing, but not the fetishistic kind. Not cross-dressing men as a sexualized charicature of women. I’m thinking about people at work. The man’s cross-dressing should be work-appropriate for a woman to wear. Then, it’s just a dress, not a fetishistic costume. Just wear appropriate clothes and get on with the work.
It’s almost like they want to ensure they’re noticed. I suspect a lot of them need a lot of attention and didn’t get it as someone living in their own sex.