What level?

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Ophelia Benson

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Wait.

She is correct – but there are human beings here that feel that they are a woman, and I’m not saying that they’re right or they’re wrong what I’m saying is when you introduce this level of hate into a debate

Wait.

What “level of hate”?

Where is the connection between knowing that a man is a man and “this level of hate”?

There isn’t a connection. What there is, is one of those cartoons where Bugs or WileE or whoever it is slams to a screeching halt at the edge of a cliff.

There is a huge and absolute gap between knowing that a man is a man and this or any level of hate.

Knowing what things are is not hate.

Can we get clear on that for a change?

There are plenty of true facts that it can be rude or cruel to state or insist on or make a big noise about.

But here’s the shocker: saying that men are men is not one of them.

Is telling a particular man (who claims to be a woman) that he’s a man one of them?

That’s a tough one.

But the issue is telling men who claim to be women in general that they’re men, rather than telling individual men that one at a time. It’s not rude or cruel or any kind of hate to refuse to repeat the lie that men are women if they say they are.

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11 responses to “What level?”

  1. Your Name's not Bruce? Avatar
    Your Name’s not Bruce?

    I would suggest that a man insisting he is a woman, and demanding access to female spaces, facilities, and opportunities on the basis of that insistence is introducing “a level of hate” into “a debate.” Certainly claiming that dressing, or performing, or feeling a certain way is all that is needed to “be” a woman, or female, is misogynistic behaviour.

  2. Deep Thinking Avatar
    Deep Thinking

    What’s the source?

  3. Ophelia Benson Avatar
    Ophelia Benson

    Oops sorry forgot to include the source. Labour MP Carolyn Harris on the Jeremy Vine chat show.

    https://x.com/HennieInglis/status/2053885763264163995

  4. Lady Mondegreen Avatar
    Lady Mondegreen

    And how I WISH the mainstream media would acknowledge the unhinged hatred of the pro-trans side, and how utterly normalized it is, and has been ever since they began foisting gender ideology on us, without criticism or question, a decade ago.

  5. Ophelia Benson Avatar
    Ophelia Benson

    Yes that too.

  6. Mostly Cloudy Avatar
    Mostly Cloudy

    Lady Mondegreen – I sometimes point out here that liberal media outlets were rightly horrified at the abuse levelled at women opposed to Gamergate.

    But when women opposed to gender ideology got abused a few years later, those same media outlets either ignored or excused that abuse.

  7. Mostly Cloudy Avatar
    Mostly Cloudy

    Sample of that abuse here:

    https://medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

  8. twiliter Avatar
    twiliter

    I saw a woman wearing a “protect trans kids” t-shirt at the farmers market nearby one day. I really don’t think “trans kids” should even be a thing, it makes me think young people should be protected from trans ideology in the first place. Oh, and there was a picture of a large Bowie knife above the message. I didn’t stare or react or anything, however the woman with the shirt and the other woman she was with both just glared at me? It was weird.

  9. iknklast Avatar
    iknklast

    twiliter, did you have the word TERF branded on your forehead? ;-)

  10. twiliter Avatar
    twiliter

    Oh probably. People make assumptions about old white guys. :D

  11. iknklast Avatar
    iknklast

    People make lots of assumptions about old white gals, too!

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